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Re: Evolution and Human Suffering

Drew Tatusko — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:21:49 -0000

This does not have to be a god of the gaps kind of thing. Rather, think of a compatibilist argument in which determinism and freedom co-exist.

Re: Evolution and Human Suffering

David — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:08:15 -0000

But does this take away sovereignty from God, and what does it mean to call God 'Creator' if, in fact, he was not himself in charge of making creation? Or do we just conveniently say that the parts of creation that we like were God-made, and those we don't are evolution-made? That's a mite too convenient. It seems like this 'solution' comes at the cost of another, equally big, problem. But if one desires to take science seriously (e.g., one cannot say God first created a world without any suffering - that is, that evolution happened), and if one wishes to have God actually be creator, this is something that must be addressed in one way or another.

Re: Evolution and Human Suffering

ReACTIONary — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:38:28 -0000

I think you are right, David, but it changes the game way too much for some.

The whole point of the "problem of evil" is the conception of God as Omnipotent, Omniscient, and All Good. That conception of God is, presumably, inconsistent with observed existence. If we start from a theology that does not include this conception of God, the problem can, indeed, be avoided. But for some, that would mean giving up.

Re: Evolution and Human Suffering

David — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:00:46 -0000

Personally, I think the whole question of God's role in suffering is a waste of energy. All of the treatments that I have seen seem to be based on a common underlying paradigm -- that we are mere humans, separate from God, and flawed from the get go. In this kind of worldview, questions like this, as well as questions about Original Sin, etc., make a lot of sense.

But if instead you take a phenomenological approach, a more Eastern approach, then all of these concerns are bogus.

For example, how would these questions look if you assume that we are spiritual beings having a human experience, the primary challenge of which is dealing with our minds and all of the games our egos play on us. From this perspective, suffering (as opposed to pain) comes from our own minds and the interpretations we make about our experiences. So suffering is self-inflicted and original sin is nothing more that giving credence to the belief that we are separate from the Creator.

Completely changes the game, as far as I am concerned.

David