Notes From Off Center - Latest Comments in Fresh Fire Ministry's Ongoing State of Denial

Re: Fresh Fire Ministry's Ongoing State of Denial

Daniel — Mon, 18 May 2009 16:42:05 -0000

not meaning to spam but this should be here also

here’s some truth from behind the scenes in Abbotsford. Jessa first of all was an intern in the fall 08 cycle. She never applied for it Todd invited her into the internship. Even after a board member severly opposed it. Later Todd invited her and another intern to live in his house during the internship, and after the internship as a live in nanny.

At the same time the Bellingham, Washington church was being established so fresh fire could get a legal foot hold in America. This is evident by the lack and the sheer refusal to work with the local churches. It was just for the papers not the church.

In January 2009 2 members of the board confronted Todd about Jessa, and that it was wrong and they couldn’t stand by him about it. They where “relieved” of their position for doing so. This shouldn’t be surprising as another member of FFM was faceed with the same threat, after he caught Todd with another woman in England (this is what the dark night of the soul was actually about), the FFM member was forced to either work for FFM outside of North America or be fired. Jessa is woman number 4 that Todd has cheated on Shonnah with.

Todd isn’t 100% to blame just 80% the rest of the blame falls on those board members and pastors that refused to confront Todd on his infidelities. One in particular had the mind set that if Todd does it, it’s okay even if it isn’t for others. Others refused to confront because they didn’t want to loose their jobs (like many have over the years)

Even in Lakeland which I personally think was a two edged work of God, it was a blessing to the locals who have prayed for God to move. And the other edge was a judgement on Todd, in total over the top Todd style. During the highet of revival there was excessive drinking, slasher flicks, and other things I wont get into now with Todd and his inner circle (yes men). There was infighting with the leaders on stage, and the interns where just slaves with ministry badges. Or the fact that all the money collected for the orphans and for sudan never made it to them, it was instead used to pay for the buildings/land for the revival.

Even after Lakeland fell apart, and the news finally became public, Todd never returned home to Abbotsford. He remained in America (illegally) in California, then a breif stop in Reno for their quickey divorce rules. Then it was off to Rick Joyner and his marriage with Jessa

These words are not made up, this is a summary of many conversations I have had with former FFM employees, board members and former interns. I just can’t stand by and see Todd get away with this for a fourth time. A man who has turned his back on his wife and children once again. yet will be received by the masses as THE man of God.

Re: Fresh Fire Ministry's Ongoing State of Denial

Drew Tatusko — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:47:23 -0000

You can embrace people who are honest about what they do. My issue is that this guy has been revered beyond his nature as a human being and when he does something that reveals how frail he really is, they continue to revere him and give him a free pass where others would likely be condemned for it. If he was not placed on a pedestal of "godly anointing" I would not have much of an issue to be honest. If he came out and said right off that he screwed up and hurt his family, I would not have posted a thing. If Fresh Fire had come out and used language that did not water down this guy's failures in his personal life, I would be cool with that too and would have not posted anything.

I would have posted this stuff if he took the same role of Peter Popoff and went back to the same stuff as if nothing happened. That's likely to happen. I Can see it and that bothers me when what I think is a charlatan is ripping people off, not financially (that I know of) but psychologically and spiritually. If someone you trust leads you into moving traffic before looking both ways, it's better to pause and check for yourself so you don't get run over. People are following this guy into moving traffic and that is troubling to me.

And I don't embrace rape, torture, dismemberment, forced sodomy, slavery, or any of that either - all of which are in the bible. I don't embrace everything that is in the bible either. Some of that is there, I think, so we can improve on the past. We have not learned a hell of a lot, but we have, as a species, made some improvements here and there.

Re: Fresh Fire Ministry's Ongoing State of Denial

PerplexedDude — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:45:20 -0000

Well, i am just perplexed about what Christian folks do to a person who had an "unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member". And yet they seem to embrace others who have done far worse like a guy who gave his wife to someone else just to save his life Genesis 12:11-15 And yet they sit an tell stories of valor of some guy who slept with a wife of one his staffers. 2 Samuel 11:2-5 And yet they seem to accept an innocent guy who ordered one of his own staff to be killed 1 Samuel 11:14-15

Will someone explain what in the world is an "unhealthy relationship on an emotional level"? If charge is worthy to destroy a man?

Re: Fresh Fire Ministry's Ongoing State of Denial

ReACTIONary — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:31:21 -0000

The spokes-creature's comments make it sound like he is a celeb undergoing detox. Maybe his California abode is the Betty Ford Clinic.

Re: Fresh Fire Ministry's Ongoing State of Denial

Rhea Flanery — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:10:15 -0000

I definitely would prefer to hear something about how Todd is repentant about what's going on...